octom
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Post by octom on Oct 12, 2006 15:06:52 GMT -6
I have tried with little success to lathe out the interior of BSA wheels. Is there a tool out there or some better process?
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Post by dsracing on Oct 12, 2006 18:14:22 GMT -6
There are some precautions: Make sure that you have a means to hold the wheel firm (I use a home made arbor made from a bolt) and then don't cut very much at a time. If the wheel spins on your arbor you're taking too much or your arbor fits too loosley. Carbide tipped cutting tools work best on a lathe but my first wheels I used a drill press and a pocket knife with a rounded blade and just scraped it our at slow speed. Good luck, it took me several trys to get something remotely usuable. You may find out why the after market wheels aren't free.
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hotrod
Head in the Pine
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Post by hotrod on Oct 12, 2006 19:28:57 GMT -6
I have also taken a small file to the grinder and sharpen the edge for a cutter. It is very slow using a drill clamped in a vise or drill press...do not want to apply to much pressure on cutting surface. You will end up with a warped unusable wheel. I would practice on a few old wheels before starting on my good wheels.
Ed Half Moon Racing
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Post by parrish on Oct 13, 2006 4:59:07 GMT -6
...Is there a tool out there or some better process? Follow this link: www.use-enco.com/CGI/INPDFF?PMPAGE=73&PMITEM=375-2000For under $25.00 you can get a small boring bar that will last forever (well maybe not forever...) turning BSA wheels. There might be some cheaper ones out there, I didn't do an extensive search. Good luck!
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HyperDrive
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Post by HyperDrive on Oct 13, 2006 5:55:42 GMT -6
Follow this link: www.use-enco.com/CGI/INPDFF?PMPAGE=73&PMITEM=375-2000For under $25.00 you can get a small boring bar that will last forever (well maybe not forever...) turning BSA wheels. There might be some cheaper ones out there, I didn't do an extensive search. Good luck! I just bought a taig lathe. would the 6 piece set for $23.68 be appropriate for cutting my wheels or is their something better you know of. Don't really know which cutter shapes I need to buy. Thanks Hyperdrive
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Post by FAST Racing on Oct 13, 2006 10:02:04 GMT -6
2FAST, Can't speak for others, but my son and I use the time we spend together learning a new skill or technique as priceless ;D We may not be very fast or even consistent in our racing (YET!!) and buying the very best speed parts would most likely solve both problems. Learning together how to modify wheels or axles, gives him (and Me!) a better understanding of how all the variables effect the total package we call Pinewood Derby Racing. Will we eventually buy premium wheels? More than likely. But together we will have traveled a path that I will always cherish.
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Post by parrish on Oct 13, 2006 10:27:21 GMT -6
I just bought a taig lathe. would the 6 piece set for $23.68 be appropriate for cutting my wheels or is their something better you know of. Don't really know which cutter shapes I need to buy. Thanks Hyperdrive As long as you can get the centerline of the cutter at or slightly below (my preference) the centerline of the lathe chuck, you will be fine. Find out what size tool shank your Taig lathe takes and buy that diameter boring bar. As far as the shape, a left cutting bit that will fit between the i.d. of the wheel and the o.d. of the hub will be fine. Good luck!
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octom
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Post by octom on Oct 13, 2006 14:35:20 GMT -6
Hey thanks for the feedback. That link looks like it might be the tool.
I too think that the car should be 100% racer built. Those after market wheels do tend to add up when building more than one car.
BTW: Where can you order wheels in bulk? I've seen untouched wheels online for more than the cost of a total kit from a local purveyor.
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Post by parrish on Oct 13, 2006 14:46:13 GMT -6
I too think that the car should be 100% racer built. Those after market wheels do tend to add up when building more than one car. I must be honest, I don't like the idea of people using other peoples "premium wheels". I truely believe that one can compete on a high level making their own wheels even if they don't have a lathe... To each their own. ...For example, I have recently been amazed at how well Wheeler has been doing in stock at WIRL. I was under the assumption that he made his own wheels. Now I hear that he is using Buckeye's wheels. Now I have to give much(not all) of the credit for Wheeler's victories to Buckeye. I wonder how everyone would stand at the end of each month if everyone were force to make their own wheels. Just a thought. Welcome fidin. You really need to have all the facts before making broad statements like that. I know for a fact that Wheeler has been making his modified wheels (and stock wheels for that matter too) for quite a while. Some credit (not most or all IMHO) should and did go to Buckeye for making such a quality stock wheel, but as was stated earlier, there is a lot more that goes into a car at this level of competition than a good set of wheels. ;D Why don't you take the plunge and join the boards and send in a car to either WIRL or the PDDR and join the fun!!!
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Post by wheeler on Oct 13, 2006 15:46:43 GMT -6
fidin, a good friend made me a good set of wheels and I used them. I make pretty good stock wheels myself. I was just giving credit where credit is due. First time I didn't make my own wheels BIG D DEAL.
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Post by builderjim on Oct 13, 2006 15:52:02 GMT -6
Go get em FROGGIE! ;D
Jim
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Post by HighRoller on Oct 13, 2006 18:34:29 GMT -6
I must be honest, I don't like the idea of people using other peoples "premium wheels". Looks like maybe, you need something made understood to ya. These racing leagues are designed for the more serious form of racers not little kid Pinewood Derby races. It doesn't matter what or where you get your parts to make a car. It only matters who crosses the finish line first. So if you were to build a car and say purchased some wheels from someone and had your car painted and even had them put it all together then entered it into a race and other people did the same, no one knows how or who made your car you still have to cross the finish line first. ;D So for the guy that does build his entire car himself still has to cross the finish line before all the other cars anyways. If you were to put all of the top parts right infront of everyone on race day, they still have to put the car together and make all those parts work.------ Right no if's and's or but's we don't need to here those either please Now if you look at NASCAR for a second, you take Jeff Gordon for one. Does he make his wheels for his car? Does he carve out his Car bodies? Does he build and make all the parts for his engines? Does he paint his cars? Does he tune his cars? Does he get the credit for winning the races? Maybe if you would spend more time building your own car rather than worrying about what everyone else is doing you might figure it out ;D Well NOW, I think you now understand what you are so worried about
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Post by slkrnsntracing on Oct 13, 2006 20:09:01 GMT -6
I must be honest, I don't like the idea of people using other peoples "premium wheels". I truely believe that one can compete on a high level making their own wheels even if they don't have a lathe. fidin, I won't argue with your point, but I will say that if you can do it, you are not an average builder. That's the reason I'm excited about Pure Stock. Do you currently race a car, or are you going to race a car in the future? Good luck to all racers this month. Phil
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Post by 2FAST4U on Oct 13, 2006 22:15:26 GMT -6
I must be honest, I don't like the idea of people using other peoples "premium wheels". I truely believe that one can compete on a high level making their own wheels even if they don't have a lathe. fidin, I won't argue with your point, but I will say that if you can do it, you are not an average builder. That's the reason I'm excited about Pure Stock. Do you currently race a car, or are you going to race a car in the future? Good luck to all racers this month. Phil when will we see your pure stock car at PDDR... ;D Glenn
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Post by patmanruls on Oct 13, 2006 22:59:18 GMT -6
fidin, a good friend made me a good set of wheels and I used them. I make pretty good stock wheels myself. I was just giving credit where credit is due. First time I didn't make my own wheels BIG D DEAL. Here.. here.. Mr. Wheeler certainly does not have to justify ANY of his actions in my book. He is a true purist of this sport. I think it's admirable for him to try Buckeyes wheels. I'd be flattered if he ever wanted to try something I was doing, although I don't think he'd want to go from 1st to last... or 2nd to last if Mood is racing. ;D
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HyperDrive
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Post by HyperDrive on Oct 15, 2006 22:52:10 GMT -6
I must be honest, I don't like the idea of people using other peoples "premium wheels............". Basically, what it sounds like is that you think people should make their own entire car all on their own without any assistance from anyone. Well, let me ask you something. The last car you made, did you go out, grow the pine tree, cut in down, mill it into a pine block and then shape it? Did you build a wheel mold and pour your own plastic into it and form your own wheels? Did you mine the iron, melt it down, pour and form your own axles? Did you make your own weights? Have you ever not asked someone else something like "hey, what do you think I should do with my car at this point"? If you can answer YES to all these questions then I guess your a better man than all of us. However, if have to answer NO to even one of these questions then you are no better than any of us. If you have a son, do you give him a pinewood derby kit and tell him to figure it all out on his own or do you give him advise and help him build it so that he gets the benefit of your knowledge? Some people just like to build the car body and paint it and weight it and don't care to or don't have the machinery to make their own wheels so they get help from someone else. The point is, we all need help from each other in this world to make us better (even in Pinewood Derby racing). Hyperdrive
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Post by A1nogoslo on Oct 15, 2006 23:18:18 GMT -6
I must be honest, I don't like the idea of people using other peoples "premium wheels". Looks like maybe, you need something made understood to ya. These racing leagues are designed for the more serious form of racers not little kid Pinewood Derby races. It doesn't matter what or where you get your parts to make a car. It only matters who crosses the finish line first. So if you were to build a car and say purchased some wheels from someone and had your car painted and even had them put it all together then entered it into a race and other people did the same, no one knows how or who made your car you still have to cross the finish line first. ;D So for the guy that does build his entire car himself still has to cross the finish line before all the other cars anyways. If you were to put all of the top parts right infront of everyone on race day, they still have to put the car together and make all those parts work.------ Right no if's and's or but's we don't need to here those either please Now if you look at NASCAR for a second, you take Jeff Gordon for one. Does he make his wheels for his car? Does he carve out his Car bodies? Does he build and make all the parts for his engines? Does he paint his cars? Does he tune his cars? Does he get the credit for winning the races? Maybe if you would spend more time building your own car rather than worrying about what everyone else is doing you might figure it out ;D Well NOW, I think you now understand what you are so worried about HYPERDRIVE RACING WROTE: ;D HERE, HERE ;D The End...
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Post by 2FAST4U on Oct 15, 2006 23:31:43 GMT -6
I must be honest, I don't like the idea of people using other peoples "premium wheels............". Basically, what it sounds like is that you think people should make their own entire car all on their own without any assistance from anyone. Well, let me ask you something. The last car you made, did you go out, grow the pine tree, cut in down, mill it into a pine block and then shape it? Did you build a wheel mold and pour your own plastic into it and form your own wheels? Did you mine the iron, melt it down, pour and form your own axles? Did you make your own weights? Have you ever not asked someone else something like "hey, what do you think I should do with my car at this point"? If you can answer YES to all these questions then I guess your a better man than all of us. However, if have to answer NO to even one of these questions then you are no better than any of us. If you have a son, do you give him a pinewood derby kit and tell him to figure it all out on his own or do you give him advise and help him build it so that he gets the benefit of your knowledge? Some people just like to build the car body and paint it and weight it and don't care to or don't have the machinery to make their own wheels so they get help from someone else. The point is, we all need help from each other in this world to make us better (even in Pinewood Derby racing). Hyperdrive WOW I AM IN TEARS OF JOY...Hyperdrive FOR President... ;D GLENN
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Post by woodenshoe1 on Oct 16, 2006 7:03:27 GMT -6
2FAST4U,
I, for one appreciate the willingness of all the guys on this board to share the wealth of knowledge and experience with anybody and everybody. In my profession, and I'm sure in many others, people rely on this process of learning from others all the time. Why reinvent the wheel? I know for a fact that short track drivers/owners do this in their racing all the time. They talk and share ideas constantly. I don't have the tools necessary to make wheels to compete in the racing leagues. If I chose to compete and want to buy wheels from someone so be it.
Wooden Shoe
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HyperDrive
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Post by HyperDrive on Oct 16, 2006 8:28:18 GMT -6
[quote [/quote] WOW I AM IN TEARS OF JOY...Hyperdrive FOR President... ;D GLENN[/quote] Thanks Glenn, Every once in a while I get on a roll. And hey that doesn't sound too bad. "HyperDrive THE President". If elected I will pass a law that for every item you purchase at the drive thru they must give you 3 packs of Ketchup without having to ask for it or it's all FREE. PS. rat rod and pocket rocket are awesome cars. Wish I could do those kinds of paint jobs too. HyperDrive
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