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Post by DerbyDoc.com on Apr 18, 2007 18:38:04 GMT -6
You know that a1nogoslo will make a challenge. ;D ;D
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Post by DerbyDoc.com on Apr 18, 2007 18:39:09 GMT -6
Those Jewkes guys are alright in my book. Just thought Id say that. The wirl guys are alright too.
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Post by A1nogoslo on Apr 18, 2007 19:08:54 GMT -6
There's a reason the Jewkes only race on their own track... Wow... look at the new names getting generated to get in on this conversation.......... ;D We all know your a guy in another name using this "SpeedGeek" name to hide behind so you can say things without anyone knowing who you are... but thats ok.... "We only race on our own track" ... lol Let me refresh your memory a little <---------- Here's the 2006 LIMA LAND OPEN MODIFIED RACE VIDEO #1 |
(Click on the film strip to view the Action) 2006 LIMA LAND OPEN VIDEO #2 |
Rounds 4 - 8 Modified Race
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psycaz
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Post by psycaz on Apr 18, 2007 21:59:28 GMT -6
Oil, Graphite, in the end it's only part of the equation. Each has their pluses and minuses.
What really matters is that you try to take into account what you will be using and do the best you can on the prep work for the axles and wheels to maximize your result with what lube you're going to use.
I firmly believe that most of the builders here and there could be forced to use the BSA teflon and still cars that would be amazingly fast. Faster than anything I can build using the lube of my choice.
Someday, I hope to come close to their abilities, but that ain't today. So I read, ask questions, experiment, and try to learn.
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Post by tonydtiger on Apr 18, 2007 22:09:04 GMT -6
Oil, Graphite, in the end it's only part of the equation. Each has their pluses and minuses. What really matters is that you try to take into account what you will be using and do the best you can on the prep work for the axles and wheels to maximize your result with what lube you're going to use. I firmly believe that most of the builders here and there could be forced to use the BSA teflon and still cars that would be amazingly fast. Faster than anything I can build using the lube of my choice. Someday, I hope to come close to their abilities, but that ain't today. So I read, ask questions, experiment, and try to learn. +1 for you. Sometimes people forget that there are other people not in the league racing reading these forums lurking for that added speed tip.
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Post by RacerX on Apr 19, 2007 7:26:08 GMT -6
HEY GLENN: Want the real truth? No not a slam like: You got 2nd. and 2nd. is the first looser. Or: Hey wern't the top cars all on Derby Worx Pro RS wheels. And last but not least: We want to see all the races, not just your winning highlights, BUT THE REAL TRUTH from someone who spends a boat load of time at races competing at the local, regional and national level with his son and friends ?? Racer X
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Da Pine Racing
Head in the Pine
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Post by Da Pine Racing on Apr 19, 2007 7:32:27 GMT -6
Wow,
NHRA, Champ car, NASCAR?
This league, that league
Oil, Graphite?
circle track, road course, drags?
I just wanna race anywhere & as much as I can ;D
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Post by RacerX on Apr 19, 2007 7:32:43 GMT -6
There looks to be plenty of "live" races this year to test your theories if your afraid someone will mess with your car. North Coast Open, Lima Land Open, Kroozinationals, PeachTree Derby, PBC Shootout, plus a few more that I hear are in the works. Get in on the fun !! AWESOME POINT LUCKY! There are more places to race than ever, find a group you like, jump in and work at bettering your cars. This hobby is growing fast!!! Racer X
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Post by RacerX on Apr 19, 2007 7:42:51 GMT -6
Wow, NHRA, Champ car, NASCAR? This league, that league Oil, Graphite? circle track, oval, drags? I just wanna race anywhere & as much as I can ;D Amen Brother!!!! AMA & NMA Too!
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Post by A1nogoslo on Apr 19, 2007 9:01:40 GMT -6
HEY GLENN: Want the real truth? No not a slam like: You got 2nd. and 2nd. is the first looser. Or: Hey wern't the top cars all on Derby Worx Pro RS wheels. And last but not least: We want to see all the races, not just your winning highlights, BUT THE REAL TRUTH from someone who spends a boat load of time at races competing at the local, regional and national level with his son and friends ?? Racer X First off Bill.... this is David... not Glenn Bill, everything is going to be ok man.... Second: Those video's show all of the Modified Race at Lima. Yes you are right Bill, these video's do show the real truth... I wish you could of been there. You missed a great time. Larry and Fred put on a great show for everyone. It was alot of fun.
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HyperDrive
Head in the Pine
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Post by HyperDrive on Apr 19, 2007 9:45:57 GMT -6
I've heard people use graphite and oil and win with both. I think it all depends on how you hold your mouth in anticipation when your car is running down the track. ;D HyperDrive
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Post by Lucky 13 on Apr 19, 2007 11:43:00 GMT -6
I've heard people use graphite and oil and win with both. I think it all depends on how you hold your mouth in anticipation when your car is running down the track. ;D HyperDrive After watching my son at his pinewood derby this year I thought it had something to do with how you moved your arms, hands and fingers ?? Maybe it's a combo of all of them ?? HAHA !!
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Post by Low E. T. on Apr 19, 2007 12:22:30 GMT -6
OK, now you have me curious, was the first place car in the Lima video running Graphite or Oil? ;D
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Post by thebeav on Apr 19, 2007 14:06:00 GMT -6
HEY GLENN: Want the real truth? No not a slam like: You got 2nd. and 2nd. is the first looser. Or: Hey wern't the top cars all on Derby Worx Pro RS wheels. And last but not least: We want to see all the races, not just your winning highlights, BUT THE REAL TRUTH from someone who spends a boat load of time at races competing at the local, regional and national level with his son and friends ?? Racer X I want the real truth... why does Racer X have an M on his chest and why does Speed Racer have a G? Is it because he now races at www.npwdrl.com?
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Post by Parrot Racing on Apr 19, 2007 15:10:51 GMT -6
Only been doing this for a few months so I am just trying to put together a car that runs under 3.2!!!! So if anyone can give me some insight on using oil, I would love to give it a wirl!
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Post by warthog on Apr 19, 2007 15:36:23 GMT -6
Racer X and Speed Racer:
The characters and storylines originated in Japan as the manga and anime series Mach Go Go Go from the anime studio Tatsunoko Productions.
Mach Go Go Go was first created by anime pioneer Tatsuo Yoshida (1933¨C1977) as a manga series in the 1960s and made the jump to TV as an anime series in 1967. The central character in the anime and manga was a young race car driver named G¨ Mifune (Èý´¬„‚ Mifune G¨). Yoshida selected the names and symbolisms in his creation very carefully. The M logo on the hood of his race car and the front of his helmet stood for his family name Mifune, an homage to Japanese film star Toshiro Mifune (and not "Mach 5" as the dub would suggest). His given name G¨ is also a Japanese homophone for the number 5 (the number on his race car). This is also represented by the letter G embroidered on his shirt. The names themselves constitute a multi-lingual wordplay of the kind that started to become part of the Japanese popular culture of the time. Yoshida got his idea for Speed Racer after seeing two films that were very popular in Japan at the time¡ªViva Las Vegas and Goldfinger. By combining the look of Elvis Presley's race car driving image (complete with neckerchief and black pompadour) and James Bond's gadget-filled Aston Martin, Yoshida had the inspiration for his creation.
The English rights to Mach Go Go Go were immediately acquired by American syndicator Trans-Lux. The main character Go Mifune was given the name "Speed Racer" in the English version. A major editing and dubbing effort was undertaken by producer Peter Fernandez, who also voiced many of the characters, including Speed Racer himself. Fernandez was also responsible for a retooling of the theme song's melody and its subsequent English lyrics. When the series emerged before U.S. TV audiences as Speed Racer, fans were quickly drawn to its sophisticated plots involving fiendish conspiracies, violent action, hard-driving racing, and soulful characters with sparkling eyes. In an effort to squeeze the complicated plotlines into existing lip movements, the frenetic pace of the dubbing made Speed Racer famous for its quirky "fast" dialogue. In the late 1990s the series made a comeback as reruns on Cartoon Network in late afternoon (and later on in late night/overnight) programming. The series was distributed in the 1990s by Group W's international unit with the mention of Trans-Lux deleted from the show's opening sequence.
Racer X always left the scene unnoticed, receding into his secret life. The "M" on his tunic stands for Mifune, the family name.
At least this is what Wikipedia says about it ;D
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Post by ohsofast on Apr 19, 2007 16:02:48 GMT -6
Thanks for the information Warthog, i loved that cartoon as a kid.
Racer X what is the truth then?
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Post by ProQuest on Apr 19, 2007 18:05:38 GMT -6
Scott: That history/explanation of "Racer X" and "Speed Racer" definitely earns you an exalt. My kids are as obsessed with Manga and Animae, as I am with pinewood derby. I'll have to show your post to them. ProQuest/Steve H.
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Post by 1uofacat on Apr 19, 2007 18:18:58 GMT -6
A1nogoslo, I think the cat got his tongue... ;D ;D ;D No, just busy at work... I'll also mention that Tuesday night I was up until 5:30AM (yesterday morning) getting their lights working prior to the race last night. This took way too much time. BTW, results from last night... First let me say that the timer wasn't working on the track so times weren't recorded, it was only visual, and to make it worse the way it was set up was also "second rate" so the 4 fastest cars weren't in the final They simply had each racer run 4 races and took only those racers who hadn't lost a heat into the final. If you had a "slow car" that was just a little bit faster then the other 12 cars in your heats than you could make it into the final, which did happen by the way... My son lost to the eventual winner in one heat by about an inch in his division, but blew away everyone else. Because of that one heat loss, he was "disqualified". I got there to the race late and later learned that my kids or wife did not apply fresh oil to the wheels on my son's car, only that which was applied the day before by myself was on his car... After the race was "over" and oil was applied to his wheels and his car beat, quite handily I might add, the "winner"... oh well, that's OK, he took second overall with design as we installed functioning LED lights on his "cop car"... It still has me just a little angry/disappointed though. My daughter's car took the overall... After I learned that oil hadn't been applied, I got her car and did so. Her car also has LED lights on it. In her division/final heat races, I believe that the 4 fastest cars were in that race, they were far and away faster then the rest of the field. They also raced her car with the second fastest car 4 times for some reason She won 3 of them outright, once by half a car length, once by a whole car-length, and a third time by slightly more than that. On one of those "race-off races, they came in neck-neck and nobody could call that race (honestly, they were side-by-side as they crossed the line. I tried to insert an image from last night, and assuming the pic shows (above, didn't show under preview of this message...) her car is the one on the far left, with her first place trophy. Also, I noticed on the video in the earlier post that you guys are shaving your wheels down. That's not allowed in these divisions. Over the years I have also found that it seems to make little difference on the frontal cross-section of these cars at these speeds, so her design, (looks "blocky" perhaps) does have a wedge in the front for wind drag etc. You guys are really into this it seems... I'd like to build another car by your rules some day and send it over to where you race for the fun of it (that is if my wife doesn't kill me for even saying this). Glad to have stirred up so much discussion, and to be honest hearing that some of you use oil makes me feel better. From a purely friction standpoint, the oil does seem to work better given the amount of weight/friction in this application. And I agree, motor oil wouldn't work, but the type used is turbine oil. One last comment, there was another car that almost beat my daughter's car during the finals. It seemed as though her car was not placed straight on the track and was bumping off the rails from the start. After her car straightened out, her car passed the other one right before the finish line coming from behind... Nobody else there was using oil by the way.
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Post by 1uofacat on Apr 19, 2007 18:24:57 GMT -6
ok, the pic didn't insert... linked it to the pic I put on a website... maybe "newbies" can't edit or insert pics?
If you tell me how, I'll try to do this tomorrow if/when I get a chance. I also got 11 hours of sleep last night!!!
Gotta run, and great to read all of your comments.
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