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Post by PinewoodPerformance on Jun 8, 2004 4:40:22 GMT -6
I have an idea for the districts this winter. I believe we will be on one track. It should be a 42' Aluminum 3 lane track.
I have no idea how many kids we will get. There have not been districts here in 5 or more years.
I am thinking every kid gets at least 6 races. 2 in each lane. And like in WIRL the total combine lowest score wins, but what it wins you is this...
The top 16 times will advance to a single elimination tournament, perhaps if there are a lot of kids (100+) the top 32. The fastest 2 lanes will be used, then we get down to the last 4 cars. the two winners vs. each other and the two losers race for 3rd place.
I like this because every kid races 6 or more times. The top 4 racers get 10 - 12 races.
I am also considering a 16 car double elimination finish in place of the 16 or 32 car single elimination.
I am also not going to have the best in show class.
I am going to have an open class (modified cars and outsiders)
Trophies will be 1-3 in Tiger, Wolf, Bear, Weblos and Open.(Based on times) And 1-4 Overall (Tourney)
5 people will get first place trophies, one will get two!
Champions 1-3rd
1st - 18" Trophy
2nd - 12 3/4" Trophy
3rd - 9 1/2 " Trophy
Grand Champions 1-4th
1st - 48" Trophy
2nd - 36" Trophy
3rd - 23" Trophy
4th - 20/21" Trophy
Participation = Patch
My Questions...
1. Any reasons this may not work well?
2. Any software out there that can run the timed race and the double elimination?
3. Opinions...
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justaguy
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Post by justaguy on Jun 8, 2004 7:03:40 GMT -6
Make sure you have alot of room; our 2004 Pack race, I felt, was a mess. It was held at a VFW hall that just barely fit a 32' track, not to mention all the parents and siblings that came to watch. We did not have a lot of room and everyone was standing behind the kids along the side of the track...good thing I'm 6'2"... ;D but a lot of the people couldn't see forcing them to move around and get in other peoples' way. But the kids had a good time and that's what's important.
I think you should have judging for best in show, a lot of the kids work really hard on making them look good. I don't mean go all out on trophies or anything for it, just certificates for the top 3 just so they get recognized. And have impartial judges if possible, we had the people that work at the VFW be the judges at ours...turned out GREAT.
The race setup sounds good, the kids should love it!
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Post by parrish on Jun 8, 2004 7:22:13 GMT -6
I do know that Derby Master software is capable of running both timed races and elim. You will need a short intermission to set up the bracket for the elim racers from the timed winners.
As for the fans being able to see the race, we set up a video camera showing about the last 4 to 5 feet and use a projector to show the race on the wall. It works great for us.
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Post by TurtlePowered on Jun 8, 2004 7:41:32 GMT -6
Single elimination sounds a bit harsh. I would have at least a double elimination for the top cars with the losers bracket getting a chance to work their way back to the finals. Might be nice to give a ribbon for 4th and 5th in rank but don't know what budget is and if 100 is total for all 4 ranks. Our Webelos district had top 7 within .02 of each other and we had around 60 per rank. My son had 1 race bad, almost a full .1 over rest of races due to what I think was a bad start and got knocked down to 4th place and got nothing.
I do like the all racers getting at least 6 races. A lot will be determined on how many racers per rank. 60 per rank will be very lenghy if you run only on 1 track. A lot of younger scouts might get bored then. If you only have 25 per rank it will be much more workable. Maybe you could get another pack to setup another track if needed and possibly run qualifying heats on one and championship on another.
I do like all racers getting participation ribbons.
We have found during our pack races, if you have three rounds (one for each lane) with each racer running once per round keeps more interest than running one car back to back to back on the three lanes. The other way is easier to run however. Our software groups similar timed cars from previous rounds so all cars have good chances to win one race.
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Post by PinewoodPerformance on Jun 8, 2004 7:43:14 GMT -6
Yes, it's going to be in a mall so we have a ton of room! I am going to check out Derbymaster software.
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Post by PinewoodPerformance on Jun 8, 2004 7:47:16 GMT -6
Single elimination sounds a bit harsh. I would have at least a double elimination for the top cars with the losers bracket getting a chance to work their way back to the finals. Might be nice to give a ribbon for 4th and 5th in rank but don't know what budget is and if 100 is total for all 4 ranks. Our Webelos district had top 7 within .02 of each other and we had around 60 per rank. My son had 1 race bad, almost a full .1 over rest of races due to what I think was a bad start and got knocked down to 4th place and got nothing. I do like the all racers getting at least 6 races. A lot will be determined on how many racers per rank. 60 per rank will be very lenghy if you run only on 1 track. A lot of younger scouts might get bored then. If you only have 25 per rank it will be much more workable. Maybe you could get another pack to setup another track if needed and possibly run qualifying heats on one and championship on another. I do like all racers getting participation ribbons. I am not much for ribbons but I will make sure they all get a patch for their uniform. I like double elimination better than single too, but I don't think it's harsh since they have 6 previous races. |
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Post by TurtlePowered on Jun 8, 2004 7:55:02 GMT -6
I am not much for ribbons but I will make sure they all get a patch for their uniform. I like double elimination better than single too, but I don't think it's harsh since they have 6 previous races. But they do get a little recognition. I am guessing you will have a presentation cerremony. How many racers per rank are you anticipating? |
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Post by PinewoodPerformance on Jun 8, 2004 8:03:41 GMT -6
We have no idea what to expect sence it has been so many years. We are doing preregistration via pinewood-performance.com and by mail. I am going to make the deadline 3-4 weeks before the race and double the entry fee at the door if they do not preregister.
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Post by TurtlePowered on Jun 8, 2004 8:21:28 GMT -6
We have no idea what to expect sence it has been so many years. We are doing preregistration via pinewood-performance.com and by mail. I am going to make the deadline 3-4 weeks before the race and double the entry fee at the door if they do not preregister. Don't scouts normally qualify from packs? How many packs are you drawing from. I would probably plan on 1 or 2 per rank if top 3 per rank qualify. |
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Post by PinewoodPerformance on Jun 8, 2004 8:27:31 GMT -6
I am leaving it open to all scouts in my district for this year. By next year the interest should be back up. I am going to have Newspaper and TV there to report. I am liucky to have friends in high places in the local Columbus Media. I realize it may get out of hand!
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Post by TurtlePowered on Jun 8, 2004 8:34:53 GMT -6
I am leaving it open to all scouts in my district for this year. By next year the interest should be back up. I am going to have Newspaper and TV there to report. I am liucky to have friends in high places in the local Columbus Media. I realize it may get out of hand! If you are inviting anybody, I would make sure to have a couple of extra tracks before notices come out. If I were running it, I would start out talking with other packs and finding out when they are running pack races and see if their race days are going to be compatable. If that seems feasable I would start with qualifying cars from each pack but if you don't seem to be getting enough responses open it up. |
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Post by PinewoodPerformance on Jun 8, 2004 9:14:09 GMT -6
our council has all the packs do them at the same time or at least in the same period of a week or 2. we plan to roll 4-6 weeks later
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Post by TurtlePowered on Jun 8, 2004 9:17:54 GMT -6
our council has all the packs do them at the same time or at least in the same period of a week or 2. we plan to roll 4-6 weeks later I would bet you could get all the cars you might want if you coordinate with pack leaders. I've never seen any scouts that wouldn't want to run their cars again. Especially for prizes! How many packs are in your district? |
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Post by PinewoodPerformance on Jun 8, 2004 9:25:57 GMT -6
I have no idea but I have been on the district guy for a while to mail me a list of phone numbers but he is very unresponsive and I think the reason the district races died to begin with. He wants me to give used bowling trophies as rewards to the kids... and he pushes the idea on me every time we have spoken...
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Post by TurtlePowered on Jun 8, 2004 9:27:55 GMT -6
I have no idea but I have been on the district guy for a while to mail me a list of phone numbers but he is very unresponsive and I think the reason the district races died to begin with. He wants me to give used bowling trophies as rewards to the kids... and he pushes the idea on me every time we have spoken... What a doof! Maybe he wants you to give out participation patches for Red Cross certification too. |
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Post by PinewoodPerformance on Jun 8, 2004 9:29:05 GMT -6
it has been a real challenge...
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Post by TurtlePowered on Jun 8, 2004 9:49:16 GMT -6
it has been a real challenge... Not that I normally like to do this, but do you think it is possible to be talking to individual pack leaders without going through him. Are prizes actually going through district or is all money for registration going through you? If he is in charge of allocating money for prizes, that could be a problem. You still don't have a track and timer yet though, how are you going to pull this off ? |
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Post by PinewoodPerformance on Jun 8, 2004 10:19:11 GMT -6
All money comes in through me. He is out of it accept for getting me the list. I have not begun to send out my fundraising letters yet. That is why I am so far behind on the WIRL local race. I really gave up on the idea quite honestly when the Ohio State Fair race was scheduled the same weekend.
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Post by TurtlePowered on Jun 8, 2004 10:30:41 GMT -6
All money comes in through me. He is out of it accept for getting me the list. I have not begun to send out my fundraising letters yet. That is why I am so far behind on the WIRL local race. I really gave up on the idea quite honestly when the Ohio State Fair race was scheduled the same weekend. If I remember right you paid around $200 to rent a track last year. I would think the pack would be able to justify buying a track with timer instead of renting 3 years. Does your pack have any nest egg money for this project? How much money do you get for hosting a WIRL event? If you can host one event and district you might be able to break even. I woudn't think you would have much trouble getting pack leadership to forward money for the track if you get get it paid off in 1 year. |
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Post by PinewoodPerformance on Jun 8, 2004 10:40:08 GMT -6
We have a track and finish line no timer. We don't rent. I remember reading that on Derby Talk but that wasn't me. We have a 2 lane 32' homemade wood track that is falling appart... I am going to handle this w/o the pack
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