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Post by tatermaker on Jun 13, 2006 8:56:24 GMT -6
I was working in the garden last night and was thinking, what if you built a car with wide rear wheels and skinny ones on the front, look kind of cool but not as fast, then I thought what if you were to space the fronts out a little wider for track clearance and leave the rears narrow. Has anybody tried this before?
Tater
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Post by builderjim on Jun 13, 2006 9:30:25 GMT -6
I think the reverse would work better for tracking of the car. Narrow front, wide rear.
Jim
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Post by tatermaker on Jun 13, 2006 10:46:48 GMT -6
Guess you could do that too. Wirl could have a Hot Rod class, that would be cool.
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Post by builderjim on Jun 13, 2006 10:50:16 GMT -6
Or better yet, one that you might be able to appreciate, a tractor class. Jim
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Post by RacerX on Jun 14, 2006 10:26:55 GMT -6
Or better yet, one that you might be able to appreciate, a tractor class. Jim Now that would be funny!!! Maybe WIRL needs a proto class and Tater and Jim are on to something. The current rules of WIRL are the same as most scout and Awanna rules and specs so what if we did something different? There are many classes in drag racing, top fuel, funny car, pro stock, super comp, super, gas etc so why not a new WIRL class with a different yet simple set of rules? Idea: Hot Rod class. 6" max length 1.25" min. height (keep wing bodies out) 6 oz. max weight any wheel base inside 6" lenght. Wide rear wheels: BSA, Awanna, Pine Pro, Pine Car Razor Fronts: Derby Worx "RS", Max or like. I can see some real cool looking paint and design work with a little larger bodies and some new challenges with length and weight. I hope you all don't think I am cracked in the head, but I like this. Let's hear everyones thoughts. Racer X
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Post by builderjim on Jun 14, 2006 10:37:27 GMT -6
Sounds like fun. Especially since the weight of the wheels most are using for the stock class is close to the weight of the wheels for the Mod Class, it shouldn't be an issue. Although, maybe there should also be a rule to added to the wheels specs that only allow trueing the tread of the wheel instead of the inner face of the wheel, which could be done by anyone who either has a drill or the DerbyWorxs tools. I like the fact that the cars are shorter but required to be taller. It makes the builder think a little bit about design possibilites. Jim
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Post by Down-N-Flames on Jun 14, 2006 14:33:55 GMT -6
Great now I have to build another car!!!!
I had thought of the look and use the "v" or "H" cut tires in the back, but i like the idea of a new class.
Wonder if I cna get a car done by the Peachtree..... (that would be only five I need to paint now...)
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Post by Down-N-Flames on Jun 14, 2006 14:35:58 GMT -6
I have worked up a truck also I can see as a class, I will post a picture tonight. it got primer last night. Basically 9 inches with the flat bed a full 7 to hold a car. Six wheels. More weight would be good too, but I guess I could hollow out the cab. Here is a blurry photo of the truck in the last paint job (it is getting a new one). The car on the back is my first car Dad and I built about 28 years ago. (oh wait maybe I shouldn't put that....) ;D ;D The front is a 2x4 cut to the right width, so that tells you how tall it is. I added a 1/4 inch front and routed out the wheel well. Woody
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Post by tatermaker on Jun 15, 2006 12:14:25 GMT -6
I like that truck, tractors and hotrods as well. Red hotrods and green tractors!
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Post by greenhorn on Jun 15, 2006 13:45:28 GMT -6
Hey Woody, This is the coolest PWD truck I've seen. Now, this new class idea, hmmmm. The car I have on the drawing board is almost exactly what is this hot rod class is described. Have you guys been teaming with aliens to suck out of my head what few original ideas I have? It's either that or great minds think alike! I guess only you know. Hopefully we'll have our next car or 2 built for the August race. Baseball is really taking up our lives right now.
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Post by Down-N-Flames on Jun 15, 2006 14:03:11 GMT -6
Thanks, Believe me I am not sucking your brain, I can't handle mine right now... ;D I built that truck for an exhibition for the scouts to get them excited about the Derby. Also built the boat trailers I have shown in the past. Packing them all for the Peachtree for people to look at. I need something to distract from how bad my cars will run! The truck is in primer now, so it will look different. I do remember you talking about going with different wheels before. I did think if you wanted to now, you could always get some of those V or H cut wheels for the back and it would be close in the mod class. I like the thought of different size/weight for the class. A guy at work has a track so I might build one and see what the times end up. Good luck with Baseball, we just finished up with soccer and baseball for three kids Woody
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Post by slkrnsntracing on Jun 15, 2006 19:28:03 GMT -6
greenhorn,
Goodluck with the baseball.
Hope you got your cars sent in for Saturday's race.
Good luck to everybody
Phil
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Post by Dragonfly Racing on Jun 16, 2006 4:48:53 GMT -6
The new class sounds great. It would allow you to get pretty creative.
Woody, I really like your truck! (I like all of your PWD vehicles.) The smoke coming out of the exhaust pipes is so cool!
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Post by RacerX on Jun 16, 2006 8:10:08 GMT -6
Lets hear from more of you guys!!!!
I even started drawing on a block lastnight, got myself thinking this could be cool.
I was thinking, to keep it simple for WIRL, use the stock wheel rules for the rear and the mod rules for the front, just a thought.
While experimenting , I thought the 1.25" min height might be a little low,maybe take the min height up to 1.75" off the track so they have to look like a hot rod.
Hey WIRL, how about a PROTO Type Class for the rest of the year to see if it will kick-off?
Racer X
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Post by greenhorn on Jun 17, 2006 7:21:48 GMT -6
greenhorn, Goodluck with the baseball. Hope you got your cars sent in for Saturday's race. Good luck to everybody Phil We got our cars sent in before leaving for Canada since we didn't know exactly when we'd be back and what our schedule would be like when we did. The problem is that that left us with so little time that we didn't even unpack the cars from last month. We opened the box, put in the forms and check, taped and addressed it and had my wife ship it while we were gone. Neither car had any tweaking done to it or lubed. This will be the third race for RR Capt without relube, but only the second for Bullitt For this Hotrod class, what are we thinking about for wheel base? The car I have on the drawing board is a rendition of my Dad's last drag racer which ran in E/Altered. We were planning on making it as more of a show car than race car that would have to run in mod due to wheel base. Dad's car was an open frame T bucket with the rear axle as far back as they could get it and the front straight axle as far front as they could get it. Kind of like the mod class. That's how we planned on making this car, but were planning on running in mod. If the wheel base could be extended, we'd then be able to run in the hotrod class. Just curious about others' thoughts.
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Post by Down-N-Flames on Jun 17, 2006 12:48:46 GMT -6
Look back at the Race X definitions. The suggestion is for any wheel base, but 6 inch length with 6 oz. weight. Stock rear wheels and mod front. Obviously with the weight it wouldn't fit in the mods currently, guess if you went light to 5oz you could do it. Leave space for the extra oz so you could do it if they ran it. Would be fun class to try and master.
Oh and the height would have to be 1 3/4 total height. at some point of the car.
Woody
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Post by A1nogoslo on Jun 18, 2006 23:51:45 GMT -6
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Post by RacerX on Jun 19, 2006 8:26:28 GMT -6
A1, that is a nice car even with the wheels swapped, but my idea behind the class is to change the measurements totaly from a standard BSA or anyother PWD car to create a new challenge. I spoke to WIRL about it and thought we should call it the "66 Hot Rod Class". The 66 would be for 6" cars that weigh 6oz. Wheelbase could be anything that the builder wants inside of 6". The 1.75" height would make it look like a hotrod as well. The definition of a hot rod is any customized streetable car with a high power to weight ratio. This will keep the wings and wedges out.
Racer X
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Post by Down-N-Flames on Jun 19, 2006 11:45:36 GMT -6
Do you think they will add it as a promo class this year?
Woody
oh and love the name
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Post by Mr. Slick on Jun 19, 2006 20:48:57 GMT -6
Why not keep the 5 oz? It means that they could possibly race in more local races/events. "56 Hot Rod" sounds great to me. I love the shorter length and minimum height. How about changing the min clearance to fit the new aluminum track profiles so we can get the center low slung look? I would suggest front wheels are at most 1/2 as wide as the back wheels. Can anything be done to allow for smaller front wheels as long as clearance is maintained. I have been at lots of races that have a "no weight limit" class but they end up damaging cars and stopping mechanisms more than anything. Most groups are receptive to the idea of a 3.5 oz. limit for the adult/challenge class. It also makes it a better race between the 5 oz youth cars and the 3.5 oz adult cars. Could we allow suspension or extreme running gear for some groups? Any other ideas? And yes, I will be sending in a car or two for July. . .
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