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Oct 28, 2004 8:43:15 GMT -6
Post by Chassiman on Oct 28, 2004 8:43:15 GMT -6
Is everyone useing the nyoil 2 now for lube in the WIRL races? By the looks of the times a few of the top runners are still useing Graphite-moly. After the second or 3rd run they fall off alittle or does the ny-oil do the same? It looks as though some have switched over from the graphite by the looks of the clean cars with no smudges like they use to look when useing the graphite. Thanks for the info.
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Oct 31, 2004 8:39:58 GMT -6
Post by Chassiman on Oct 31, 2004 8:39:58 GMT -6
Has anyone tested the ny-oil 2 versus moly-Graphite on a timed track? Thanks alot.
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Nov 1, 2004 5:41:19 GMT -6
Post by parrish on Nov 1, 2004 5:41:19 GMT -6
I am getting ready to run some timed tests on my 35ft track soon. I hope to be done before the holidays.
So far, I have not had much luck with NyeOil II. I believe the trouble has been my application of it, not the product.
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Nov 1, 2004 9:07:39 GMT -6
Post by MaxV on Nov 1, 2004 9:07:39 GMT -6
I ran test of Graphite-Moly vs NyOil 2. The results are posted at: www.maximum-velocity.com/5107.htm(scroll down). The application of NyOil 2 is critical. All you want is a very thin film of oil on the axle/wheel bore surface. If there is any liquid on the axle/wheel bore, it will be slower than graphite. Best Regards, Maxv www.maximum-velocity.com
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Nov 7, 2004 0:06:46 GMT -6
Post by Chassiman on Nov 7, 2004 0:06:46 GMT -6
I appreciate the info guys.
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Nov 8, 2004 10:13:25 GMT -6
Post by parrish on Nov 8, 2004 10:13:25 GMT -6
Well, after seeing the results of our second annual "Pinewood Wars" held last Saturday, I am now a believer in NyeOil!
Our car set and broke the track record time for a car with stock wheelbase! We never lost a race.
Less is more definitely holds true with the application of this lube.
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Nov 8, 2004 12:17:22 GMT -6
Post by WarpSpeedINC on Nov 8, 2004 12:17:22 GMT -6
Congrats on you're win Mike! I think you're right about the application. If you can see it, you have used too much. I think some of the inconsistant but fast times we see in WIRL is silicone. I have heard it is very fast but falls off very quickly. Some people swear by SB-10. We have never tried it so we can't give comment. We are going to stick with Nyoil and work on other stuff to go faster. Good luck in the future guy's!
Jay Warp Speed
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Nov 9, 2004 16:49:48 GMT -6
Post by JohnNC on Nov 9, 2004 16:49:48 GMT -6
Well we continue to use NyOil even though it can be finicky. Be aware that it does wear out after a time, last year we had smoked the Pack races and then went to Districts where our car seemed like molasses. We (my son and I) had not relubed as the data had said the oil would hold up for over 40 runs. It did not! Came back and relubed and it was like greased lightening again. Lesson learned.
I have tested the SB10 and so far have not been that impressed. One thing that I found that did work was that NyOil and Silicone work well together. You might want to test this combo and see if you get good results.
Personally, I am still trying to master the dang alignment issue. LOL.
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Nov 11, 2004 5:37:40 GMT -6
Post by WarpSpeedINC on Nov 11, 2004 5:37:40 GMT -6
We had different results last year (Nyoil) as our car lasted from the pack race through council. A span of 24 runs and three months. The only thing we did was keep it covered to keep dust from getting to the wheel/axle surface and cleaned the tread surface of dust and debris. The car was very consistant, turning vurtualy the same times from District to Council(Same track, different location). Not sure what we might of done different than Mike, but the stuff seemed to last the whole season. We are NOT experts and this is the only long term experience we have, so please let us know what you find!
Happy Racin' Warp Speed
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Nov 11, 2004 16:25:55 GMT -6
Post by JohnNC on Nov 11, 2004 16:25:55 GMT -6
Jay,
We had great results for the first 20 to 30 runs, it was after that in the 40 to 50 runs that got us in trouble with NyOil. I think it is faster than graphite, and a whole lot less messy. I just have a bad taste from last year.
You don't have to give away your secrets, but I noticed your winning car had a red hue to the wheels. Any special treatment you are willing to share?
Go team Carolina!!!!
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Nov 11, 2004 21:37:33 GMT -6
Post by WarpSpeedINC on Nov 11, 2004 21:37:33 GMT -6
I've heard that it falls off after 30 runs or so but that's alot of racin'. Because you can overlube pretty easy, I would think a couple of drops and then blow it dry with compressed air would work good if you're going to run that much. Keep a run count and relube after 25 or so. On the color of the wheels, it was just some hard plastic we had laying around so I cut it up!
Jay Warp Speed Inc.
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Nov 27, 2004 23:18:20 GMT -6
Post by clgill57 on Nov 27, 2004 23:18:20 GMT -6
Has anyone used Dupont Teflon Multi-Use Lubricant it says it sets up Dry Is it compatible with BSA wheel plastic
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Nov 28, 2004 8:24:14 GMT -6
Post by WarpSpeedINC on Nov 28, 2004 8:24:14 GMT -6
We tried it. It seeemd to leave a film that slowed the car. May have been improper application. We also tried Dupont silicone. The jury is still out on the silicone, but the multi-purpose lube didn't work for us. Nyoil is the best we've found so far.
Good luck and happy racing!!
Jay Warp Speed Inc
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Nov 28, 2004 9:00:40 GMT -6
Post by woodenwonder on Nov 28, 2004 9:00:40 GMT -6
I have tried the multi-use lube as well as the silicone. The multi-use was terrible and slowed the wheel spin times dramatically so we never raced with it. The silicone had some awesome spin times with BSA wheels on my test apparatus (50 - 54 second range) but I used it on my car Flash several months ago and it was slow. May need to experiment more with the application. Of course my experience with Nyoil is about the same. Tests out good but can't get it to perform consistently.
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Nov 28, 2004 15:53:58 GMT -6
Post by GILLS on Nov 28, 2004 15:53:58 GMT -6
Mike,
How many heats did you run on the nyoil II? Could you explain your application process? Was it applied to the inner wall of the hub with a q-tip. thanks
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Nov 29, 2004 7:19:25 GMT -6
Post by parrish on Nov 29, 2004 7:19:25 GMT -6
Mike, How many heats did you run on the nyoil II? Could you explain your application process? Was it applied to the inner wall of the hub with a q-tip. thanks Gills, The car has ran about 30 heats since application with no noticeable decline in times. I applied just as Max-V specifies (I believe). One drop on the axle, rotate, and wipe off with a lint free cloth. One drop on a pipe cleaner, push the wheel on the pipe cleaner, rotate once and remove, wiping off excess from hub areas.
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Dec 29, 2004 7:52:57 GMT -6
Post by scdad on Dec 29, 2004 7:52:57 GMT -6
My question is to MaxV Have you any plans to try Nyoil versus other lubes for Soap Box Derby? When these guys are spending $300+ for a car , they should'nt mind shelling out a few more for the ultimate lube.
Maybe another use for the 99/100ths of the bottle that is left over.
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Dec 29, 2004 9:34:44 GMT -6
Post by MaxV on Dec 29, 2004 9:34:44 GMT -6
No plans - with Pinewood Derby, Raingutter Regatta, and Space Derby, our plate is full!
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Mar 13, 2005 21:47:56 GMT -6
Post by phoneman on Mar 13, 2005 21:47:56 GMT -6
My son and I recently competed in a derby and while I thought we had a winning car, we were sadly disappointed to find out that we didn't. The kid who won the derby had a car that was built by the derbymaster and he won hands down with times nobody else could touch. We could tell the minute we saw the car that it was comercially made, the paint and craftsmanship was incredible. After the race we got the parent to let us look at it (I was trying to figure out why it was so fast) and I noticed the wheels seemed to have some sort of coating on them like I have never seen before, but the axles looked normal. Does anyone have any idea what this derbymaster guy is lubing his axles and wheels with? The only thing I can figure is that he has come up with some new type lube that makes his cars so fast. The kid ran a 2.553 fastest lap of the day and nobody else broke 2.662 so there has to be something in the lube? Any help appreciated. I hate to see the boy lose again next year, and I can't afford a commercially made car. Jason
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Mar 15, 2005 8:17:59 GMT -6
Post by RacerX on Mar 15, 2005 8:17:59 GMT -6
Phoneman:Just stick with us, this board and others will help you and your son achieve your goal!!!! These finished internet cars may fill a trophy case [on occasion] but they will not help you raise your son to the man you want him to be!!! Spending time and teaching him how do things right, including building his own car and not buying it regardless of the outcome will be far more rewarding in your future, even if one can afford it. Race Fast! Racer X www.Derbyworx.com
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